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You still need TOEFL, unless you have had an undergraduate degree from a school in which the primary teaching language is English.

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Some schools also consider a graduate degree from such schools, but usually they want to see that you have defended your thesis for this graduate degree. For example, you have had a Master degree in CS from U of Chicago, but you want to apply for MBA in Stanford. Stanford will look at your graduate transcript to decide if you have done thesis for your CS degree, if you have, they'll give you the waiver. Stanford is the only top school that I know will consider your graduate degree in US for TOEFL waiver purpose. Most schools only consider undergraduate degrees from US.

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工作学习 / 求学深造 / 从加拿大申请美国的MBA的费用是多少？？是不是比国内申请便宜？是不是在加拿大呆 3 年以后就能以公民身份申请读书，国内的GMAT也可以么？？ -fcoit(laofeng); 2001-5-16 (#72323@0)

1.费用一样。2.不便宜。 3.可以，而且不用考托了 -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-5-16 (#72325@0)

David, seems only u and me answer this kind of questions. :) -daqiao(Bill); 2001-5-16 (#72338@0)
You still need TOEFL, unless you have had an undergraduate degree from a school in which the primary teaching language is English. -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-16 {579} (#72344@0)
Some schools also consider a graduate degree from such schools, but usually they want to see that you have defended your thesis for this graduate degree. For example, you have had a Master degree in CS from U of Chicago, but you want to apply for MBA in Stanford. Stanford will look at your graduate transcript to decide if you have done thesis for your CS degree, if you have, they'll give you the waiver. Stanford is the only top school that I know will consider your graduate degree in US for TOEFL waiver purpose. Most schools only consider undergraduate degrees from US.

好像在美加生活三年以上就可以申请 TOFEL 的 Wavier 吧。 -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-5-16 (#72347@0)

hi, david, It depends very much on schools. . -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-16 {372} (#72349@0)
But most schools I have seen require that you have a degree from English speaking countries. I have also seen some small schools that can easily give you a waiver if you go to talk to their graduate director and he happens to like you. Schools in US are very flexible in this, but for good schools, there are usually very strict rules because there are too many applicants
Actually, TOEFL is not such a hard test, especially when someone have lived in North America for 3 years. Needed or not, there is no difference. -daqiao(Bill); 2001-5-16 (#72353@0)

don't agree. To get a high score in TOEFL, you need Training, training and training. Most Americans can't get as high score as Chinese students in structure. -smallwhale(外有引力); 2001-5-16 (#72871@0)

TOEFL 确实是考英语能力的。到多伦多后我考了两次，听力长了40分。一点练习也没有做。Training 可以提高，但是将来还得补课。 -diao_david(LoveBeer); 2001-5-17 (#73010@0)
Partly agree with you. I think, when your English does not reach the level of TOEFL's requirements, what you need is Training, Training and Training. -daqiao(Bill); 2001-5-17 {458} (#73308@0)
But when you really reach that level, you need little training.

From my personal experiencees, when I took my 1st TOEFL test in college, I got 603 after tons of Training. On the contrary, when I took TOEFL last year in Toronto, I got 273 ( =643 in paper test ) with only 4 days of preparation.

I don't wanna say TOEFL training is not important. But if you live in a English enviroment and keep practice, training is much less significant than before.

agree -smallwhale(外有引力); 2001-5-16 (#72863@0)

1. For US schools, no difference at all. 2. Cannot understand your question correctly. If it is for US schools, still no difference. If it is for Canadian schools, you will be considered landed immigrant right after your landing. -daqiao(Bill); 2001-5-16 (#72332@0)

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You still need TOEFL, unless you have had an undergraduate degree from a school in which the primary teaching language is English.

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