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本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Bouncy64 October 14, 2012 at 6:10 am I must admit that the above comments are for the most part very true, even myself have advised people that if they can to move as soon as possible to another jurisdiction, even Brantford, or Hamilton or London area's In way to many cases I have seen children taken and as stated above, regardless if all the conditions that C.A.S. had requested have been met, the children are taken and placed up for adoption. It's almost regardless of how hard the birth parents work at becoming better parents, C.A.S. stalls and drags it's heels, all the while of never having any intentions of giving the birth parents their children back. I will even go so far as to state, I have seen first hand, in one case, The girl in this case was taken from the mothers care, and placed into temporary care. In the following year she was only allowed to see her daughter 3 times, twice at C.A.S. in a "supervised" enviroment. To make a long story short the daughter was placed into permanent care, less than a year later this 10 year old girl was slammed to the floor so hard that it broke some ribs and bruised her throat to the point that she could hardly talk. Who done this hideous thing to an innocent 10 year old girl, well it was the very person C.A.S. had placed the girl with permanently after she was removed from the now primary care giver, she was placed in yet another home, soon after which she ran away and went back to her mother, who was now in another province and hence that province took a look at things and placed the girl back into her mothers care. Now if C.A.S. had worked with the mother, who wasn't abusive, wasn't a drug addict, or alcoholic, just a single mother who was doing the best she could, with a system that in way to many instances refuses to work with loving parents who are victims themselves, not only by the actions of the ex spouses, but by the vary system that is suppose to protect children, protect family's, not tear them apart to keep the numbers up to get more funding to do the same thing to yet more family's, this is only one of many horror stories I have heard of, and it's sad when a child is used as a pawn by the same government agency that is suppose to protect children, its so very sad. When is this C.A.S. agency going to be looked into seriously, there are children being hurt, even murdered sadly in some instances(referring to the Reid case where an innocent child lost their life when placed into a home and was fatally injured by another child that should never have been placed in that home to begin with because of behavioral issues that C.A.S. knew about but still placed the child there in that home as well as about 6 or 7 other children, ), and yet this C.A.S. agency just keeps apprehending children and placing these children into even more dangerous enviroments, where the potential of that child being hurt is worse than if they would have stayed with the birth mother or father or a relative. When is enough hurt, enough hurt.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下家园 / 幸福家庭 / CAS有诺大的权力,他们可以决定把一个孩子从一个家庭拿走。有时候,他们的决定是错误的,而其影响就是永远的毁了一个家庭和一些人的一生,即使只有10%的可能性,其破坏力对那些家庭来讲是100%的。所以,Oversight over CAS是极其重要的。
    • CAS 的很多工作人员本身是单亲女士, 不是说单亲就不好但做这个工作应该强调家庭背景。
    • 顶一下。
    • 一直反对在网上过度抹黑CAS。CAS确实有改进的必要,但任何引发和CAS对立甚至对抗的言论,都是极端不负责任的。当年loveblue的死,也与此相关。
      • agree.
      • 黑不黑不是别人抹得了的。不能因为一个人做了10件好事就可以容忍她做一件伤天害理的事。
      • 我也反对抹黑CAS。但CAS确实有无法控制的权力。这种“缺少制约”的特性使得CAS缺少纠错的动力。
        • 警察,法院,甚至TTC都有类似的授权,这些都是法律赋予的权利。必须正视面对。我说不要在网上过度攻击,就是说,这里说话评论的都是没有一点干系的人,可以轻轻松松耍嘴皮子,以表达自己的sharpness & moral level.
          那些真正有需要的,确实关注的,会因轻易的出于对某些ID的一贯信任,而被误导,被干扰,从而采取不合适的解决途径方式。

          现实就是现实,无法面对现实的,请最好沉默。
          • 陈旺抓小偷的案子说明对于不合理的东西闭嘴不是个解决办法, 虽然个人的力量有限也不能放弃表达的权力, 众人拾材,陈旺抓小偷最终成了陈旺法例,
            • 严重程度不同的事,我一向不放在一起讨论。小事情可以炒作,即便是另有他意别有用心,别人也可以忽略。一些有关终身(生)大事的,还是少一些平民心态比较合适。
              • MPP 是不会关心小事情的。
                • 她们?只关心易做的事
                  • CAS 只关心难做的事。比如抓个孩子什么的。
          • 被警察抓后要经过审判才能定罪,嫌疑人可能会被无罪释放。对法院的判决结果可以上诉。但CAS没有有效的上诉机制。诉诸法院的话,要几年后才可能有结果,孩子已经长大了。
            我不认为我的这个观点是过度攻击。而是对现实的描述。

            现实就是现实,无法面对现实的,可以保持沉默,也可以大声痛哭。
            • 除了保持沉默,除了大声痛哭, 最好的办法是尽自己的一份力量, 在适当的机会表达自己的看法。这是个民意能覆舟的国家。
          • CAS is more related to our everyday life than most people realize. And what I asked for is oversight, not getting rid of it.
            CAS: the concept is good, the execution not so.
            • 共产主义的本意也是好的,结果却不是那么一回事儿。
      • 除非CAS比上帝还英明,否则就没有存在的必要。
        • 有些人饭碗。
          • 有些人还代替上帝发明了一夫一妻制。
        • 一个东西有缺陷,就必须把它完全消除吗?
          • 就是咯,一个家长有缺陷,你就敢把人家的孩子带走吗?
            • 我是个有缺陷的家长,并没有人把我的孩子带走。
              • 如果CAS认为您不够资格当家长,要把您的孩子带走,您同意吗?
                • 如果我做了违法的事,警察要把我带走,我同样不会同意。但国家给了他们强制执行的权力,我只能被他们带走。但不能因为有冤案就把警察局关掉。CAS 也一样。
                  • 我不认为那叫冤案,那其实是国家对人民犯罪。不要忘记,在民主国家,警察的公权力也是我们公民给予的。如果有必要,法律可以修改,政府也可以换掉,CAS就更不用说了。
                    • 无论多么完善,错误永远存在。不能因为一个机构有错误,就把整个机构取消。应该做的,是建立合理的制度,最大限度地减少错误发生的可能性。CAS需要的是制约,而不是取消。
                      • 如果一个机构的存在本身是一种错误,当然可以取消,尤其是那些想要取代上帝的机构。
                        • 如果别人说你想要取代上帝,你怎么回答?
                          • 哪个孩子在哪个家庭出生是上帝决定的,好像我没有觉得自己比上帝聪明,改变上帝的决定吧?
                            • 你这话怎么像江洋大盗对受害人的宣言:落到我手里,是你的运气,你只能自认倒霉。
                              • 你这话怎么像CAS对受害儿童的宣言:落到我手里,是你的运气,你只能自认倒霉。
                                • 按你前文说的,CAS 不这么说。CAS 说:孩子生到你家是他运气不好(上帝的安排),我们要改变他的运气。
                                  当然,你的前文也可以这样解释:CAS 找那个家长的麻烦是上帝决定的。你要关闭CAS,就是要改变上帝的决定。
                                  • 看来CAS比上帝还英明,比父母都能干,加拿大的孩子们真是太有福气了。
              • CSA 里大多数社工是好的,如果有个别的很不好而没有很好的约束机制就会伤及无辜的儿童,而且是不可挽回的伤害。
                • 是。所以我说,应该“管”,而不是“关”。
                  • 不过cas的头认为他们不需要管,他们象我们祖国的党一样觉得他们能自管。
                    • 历史上自认伟大光荣正确而且手里又抓着极大权力的组织所带给人们的差不多都是灾难。
                • 有的时候好心也能干坏事。
                • 嘴巴一张,就下结论?什么叫大多数是好的?
      • 这位估计是在cas工作的吧?假如要说前因后果的话,首先是cas把loveblue逼上绝路的.网友中,有些的确做得不好,但是,根子在cas上,那是绝对走不掉的了.
        • 车哥严重了吧。loveblue 的悲剧,抹黑 CAS 的网友更有责任。
          • 先说起因,什么起因?再说问题,是什么问题把她往死路逼的?她上网的时候,描述事情已经表现出不正常的情况了,这个时候网友还没有吭声呢.
            • 如果网友不吭声,她也就不会受那么大的惊吓。她跟 CAS 的交往不可能给她那么大的刺激,是网友把 CAS 说成凶神恶煞才给她那么大的刺激。我上 Rolia 最大的感触之一就是很多网友太负面。
              • 你的意思是,CAS把她从英国弄回加拿大,又把她孩子弄走,还不如网友说几句真话的责任大?你这是什么逻辑?
          • loveblue上网的时候,cas已经介入事情很久了,事情越办越糟糕,loveblue求助没有多久,就走上了绝路.作为专业机构,CAS把责任往网友身上推,这可真方便,还有很多人可以怪呢,为什么建筑工人不把楼封死呢?
            • 另外车哥别忘记了忧郁症患者想死你是防不胜防的。我听说有一位同胞全家人24小时看着都没有看住。所以过去的事情就不要追究责任了。希望以后网上有说话不正常的网友大家回帖尽量不要刺激她(他)。
              • 现在要挑起事端的是burstofsilence(沉默);我明白你的意思.但是,cas不完蛋,还有更多人完蛋.我没有办法照顾这里某些人的利益.
        • 老兄,loveblue 事件又没有连接?
      • 以这位推理能力,如果你说cas冤枉了10%.我是绝对不信的,冤枉了90%?我还有点相信.
        • CAS 的问题是挺大的, 一个Hamilton 一年就有一百多complains, 还有更多忍声吞气的呢, 警察局都不会有这么多投诉。如果burstofsilence(沉默)真为CAS打工 也请她转达华人社区的关注,这事我与老猫站一起
          • 前些年有个动议什么的,就是要追查CAS的财务或PROCEDURE什么的,不知道后来什么原因,好象要求支持动议的民众要FAX 去确认,晕死.,后来不了了之,所以呀..那些MPP 什么的..他们才不管呢.
    • CAS is a terrorism organization, period.
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        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Bouncy64 October 14, 2012 at 6:10 am I must admit that the above comments are for the most part very true, even myself have advised people that if they can to move as soon as possible to another jurisdiction, even Brantford, or Hamilton or London area's In way to many cases I have seen children taken and as stated above, regardless if all the conditions that C.A.S. had requested have been met, the children are taken and placed up for adoption. It's almost regardless of how hard the birth parents work at becoming better parents, C.A.S. stalls and drags it's heels, all the while of never having any intentions of giving the birth parents their children back. I will even go so far as to state, I have seen first hand, in one case, The girl in this case was taken from the mothers care, and placed into temporary care. In the following year she was only allowed to see her daughter 3 times, twice at C.A.S. in a "supervised" enviroment. To make a long story short the daughter was placed into permanent care, less than a year later this 10 year old girl was slammed to the floor so hard that it broke some ribs and bruised her throat to the point that she could hardly talk. Who done this hideous thing to an innocent 10 year old girl, well it was the very person C.A.S. had placed the girl with permanently after she was removed from the now primary care giver, she was placed in yet another home, soon after which she ran away and went back to her mother, who was now in another province and hence that province took a look at things and placed the girl back into her mothers care. Now if C.A.S. had worked with the mother, who wasn't abusive, wasn't a drug addict, or alcoholic, just a single mother who was doing the best she could, with a system that in way to many instances refuses to work with loving parents who are victims themselves, not only by the actions of the ex spouses, but by the vary system that is suppose to protect children, protect family's, not tear them apart to keep the numbers up to get more funding to do the same thing to yet more family's, this is only one of many horror stories I have heard of, and it's sad when a child is used as a pawn by the same government agency that is suppose to protect children, its so very sad. When is this C.A.S. agency going to be looked into seriously, there are children being hurt, even murdered sadly in some instances(referring to the Reid case where an innocent child lost their life when placed into a home and was fatally injured by another child that should never have been placed in that home to begin with because of behavioral issues that C.A.S. knew about but still placed the child there in that home as well as about 6 or 7 other children, ), and yet this C.A.S. agency just keeps apprehending children and placing these children into even more dangerous enviroments, where the potential of that child being hurt is worse than if they would have stayed with the birth mother or father or a relative. When is enough hurt, enough hurt.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • CAS 的确有瞬间毁掉一个家庭的权力,而没有一个制约它的机构。利益所在,这些人就像一个吸血虫一样极尽维护自己的利益所在。很奇怪到今天仍然大家没有一个好的制度来制约它。
      • 任何一个机构都不应该拥有这种权力,侵犯人权了嘛,我怀疑这都违反宪法了。
      • 对头,这个观点我支持!
    • 对社会来说,CAS是具有一定权力的政府资助的机构。对有些CAS员工来说,CAS就是生意,生意就要有case,所谓“没有case,创造case也要上”。最惨的是,他们的权力又没约束。靠员工的良心,是靠不住的......
    • CAS 是当今社会的一大毒瘤, 必需彻底铲除 !!!
      这个机构必须对当今社会四分五裂的破碎家庭负责 !!!
      • 一夫一妻制本身有许多的问题,我们也不能把所有的错都推到CAS头上。
      • 你在这儿瞎嚷嚷没用,去英文媒体呼吁,这样下次民意咨询的时候有更多的人表达意见。不过有虐待记录的, 去呼吁也不会有人听得。
    • 有统计,很大一部分人在医院过世;再有统计,因为医院和医生的处理不当,每年都有病人因此而没有得到应有的救治,导致病情加重甚至死亡。是不是可以得出结论:医院基本上可以取消掉了?
      当一个机构的对象就是原本心理/生理不健康、或者是家庭有问题的的一群人,发生悲剧的可能性就比普通人群要大。

      问题是:CAS目前所行使的职能有没有必要?如果没有,可以取消;如果有,它叫什么名字又有什么关系?重要的是加强监管。
      • 如果真是没什么见不得人的,应该欢迎监管, 没理由推脱。
        • +1000 就是啊!没做亏心事就不怕鬼敲门,何况他们做的都是高尚的事业。
      • 如果医生为了利益或是效率而活摘病人的器官或是强制性剖复生产,这样的医院就必须关闭。
        • 同意,没问题。难道就因为有这样的医院和医生,整个医疗系统就不应该存在么?作为一种社会职能,它是必须的。不是他做,就是你做。谁做的不对,就对谁实施制裁。这就是监管。
          • 这恐怕不是监管和制裁就能解决的问题。一旦CAS判断错误,把一个应该留在自己家里的孩子带走,他们给这家人造成的伤害是无法弥补而且不可饶恕的。如果把一个家庭比做人的身体,这样的行为和活摘病人的器官或是强制性剖复生产没什么两样。如果是为了图利那就更可怕了。
            • 那就不做为,铲除所有这些机构团体,假设所有的父母都会对子女担负起应负的养育责任。可谁敢做这样的假设?
              一旦医院判断和处理错误,把一个能救活的人治死了,他们给这家人造成的伤害是无法弥补而且不可饶恕的。

              一旦法院判断错误,把一个无罪的人判成有罪了,他们给这个人及家人造成的伤害是无法弥补而且不可饶恕的。

              。。。。。。

              这样的句子可以无穷尽地列下去。而且这些“一旦”跟CAS一样,也有实实在在的发生。怎么办?
              • 那这样好不好,我们保留所有其它机构团体,只铲除CAS这间以营利为目的的公司。
      • 这个比喻不成立。1,医院不是强制性的,2,医院也是可以选择的。没有人让警察把你从家里绑到某个医院强制处理。
        • 只要这种职能是社会必须的,就有机构和人去做。不管它是CAS,还是CBS。反正还是监管的问题。
          • 如果你的孩子哪天被cas带走,你就不会这种嘴脸了。
            • CAS绝对带不走我的孩子了。可你现在这副嘴脸,又是为了什么呢?
              • 为了保护不能保护自己的人
                • “替人家做决定”、“帮别人代言”,原本就是一件非常难的事情。怎么判断对方不具备正常的行为能力;如何在法律允许的范围内代替他人行使责任;代替到什么程度,这些都是做起来难之又难的事情。不作为当然是最简单的,要作为就一定有犯错的可能。这就是为什么要监管。
    • +1。更重要的一点,要从内部机制下手,一定设法限制CAS的规模,让它永远忙不过来,而不是人手太多,没活要找活干。比如,立刻裁员2/3,错案会力减。
      • 再比如,把现有CAS一分为二,收养与否作决定的成为一个独立机构,这个机构的经费与收养数量无关或成反比,等等。