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"One of the most biased and unethical policy the CAS enforces is that they will not provide financial assistance to family members who are willing to assume guardianship of children while parents are being investigated by CAS. "

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛ZT


An organization to help and supervise parents is necessary, especially to save children. The current system has an overwhelming failure rate and that needs to be brought to people’s attention and as taxpayers, we need to demand change.

There are thousands of families who are unfairly targeted and there are thousands and thousands of children who have their childhood disrupted and destroyed by a policy that forces children to live with strangers for long periods of time… often more than one foster family claiming this is better than forcing parents to accept and follow the help and advice they need. There is no question that CAS saves children from abusive or life threatening home environments. But what do they do to help that child after saving them?

One of the most biased and unethical policy the CAS enforces is that they will not provide financial assistance to family members who are willing to assume guardianship of children while parents are being investigated by CAS. This is why tragically so many children from low-income families are separated and scarred for life by a CAS investigation. In order to qualify for financial assistance (food, clothing, medical, day-care etc.) the family member must yield to the same training as other foster parents and are encouraged to be willing to accept other children like any other foster parent. Many grandparents and aunts and uncles would gladly support grandchild or niece/nephew however require assistance with child care costs. They cannot afford to quit their job to care for their family member and find it difficult to commit to foster-parent training in an already busy life. By the time the family qualifies for “foster-parent financial assistance” several months may have gone by and the child is needlessly separated and traumatized. This scenario is so common I would feel confident calling it the norm. I would like to also point out that foster parents find dealing with CAS just as frustrating and exhausting as parents. Society often loses loving and committed foster parents due to their unwillingness to deal with CAS anymore.

I find it baffling that child psychologists have not protested these practices based on the physiological trauma this inflicts on children.

If our school system demonstrated an overwhelming failure rate where the majority of students who were released to society are uneducated, taxpayers would be outraged and demanding change. Our abused and neglected children deserve the same consideration and assistance.

People can believe that this couple deserved to lose custody of their child, however being separated from parents is not in the best interest child. It is in the best interest of the child to have parents who have the tools, experience, education, medical assistance and financial assistance to care for the child. These services are available through the taxes we pay. Unfortunately too many organizations with their separate policies and procedures make it impossible for citizens to utilize them.

CAS often works with Ontario Works and Sudbury Housing and Child Care Subsidy and dozens of other agencies to provide emergency assistance to families in need. The problem is how they arbitrailiy determine who is in need. In my opinion, the children mentioned in this article would have been a suitable candidate for emergency help. CAS had four months while the infant remained in hospital to work with Sudbury housing to find this family shelter… because THAT is in the best interest of the children, especially a sick infant. They chose not to.

Regardless of the character of the parents or policies of CAS, this baby was denied its right to bond with the mother who carried him in her body and denied the right to be sick and die surrounded by its biological family. I am an advocate of children’s rights and CAS policies are not about the rights and needs of the children.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下家园 / 幸福家庭 / 这两天休息在家,看大家在讨论CAS的话题,就参与写了写个人了解到的情况。我想海鸥也好老猫也好,他们听到的看到的也是一种经验经历,大家从不同角度做了分享。CAS是有需要改善的地方。个人觉得鑫谈到的策略非常好。
    要从根本上改善CAS的工作,要从上层来带动改变。

    我以前老上这个论坛来,感觉呢,胡说八道啊,打口水战什么的比较受欢迎。正经的话题感兴趣的人不多,比如我曾经写过一些CBT的心理治疗方法,没什么人感兴趣,我也就不写了。现在又写了个人对CAS的了解,可是发现多数人只想听CAS如何不好的话,另一个角度分享的信息多数人很难接受。本来可以跟大家分享更多的,现在觉得很多余。大家玩好吧。
    • 屁股决定脑袋
    • 谢谢沉默等ROLIAN,就不一一点名了。
    • 自我感觉不是一般的好。
      • 对不起,给你添堵了。
        • 不用对不起我, 对得起自己的良心就好了。
    • 接着写吧!我要是一个被CAS盯上的母亲,我最不想听到就是CAS是恶魔之类的话,等于在对我说:你没救了,认命吧!多介绍一下如何与他们打交道的文章吧。
      • 你这不是说CAS 是something吗? 警察叔叔说碰到坏人抢劫的时侯要讲啥来的? 不要蛮斗。
        • 我可没说CAS是something。是你们一直在说。对我来说,好到极端或者坏到极点的都很难相信。
          • 你不是故意挖坑吧?
            CAS 是如何盯上你家娃的? 给透露点儿线索, 我们也能有的放矢地帮你点儿试实用招术.
      • 对呀,楼主多介绍一些为人父母者如何向CAS讨饶,如何获得怜悯的文章,传播福音,造福人群。
    • 眯眯,我支持你。昨天的讨论没时间细看,但我也觉得CAS很有存在的必要,也确实需要一个独立机构来监督,光有专业协会是不够的。这跟医疗系统也亟待需要独立监督机构是同样的道理。
    • 我觉得两方面的努力都是需要的,听众可能不同。也很感谢你的努力。
      一方面大家应该知道CAS是一个什么样的组织,有什么样的权力,按什么方式来行事,与其打交道有什么样的准备;

      另外就是意识到为什么现在有Bill93,为什么MPP和Ombudsman呼吁对其加强oversight,为什么我们作为一个公民应该向MPP实压促成加强这个监管。

      而短期看,这个监管无论对CAS本身,还是对普通民众都是有好处的。

      从长期看,CAS的Funding制度,雇佣员工的渠道和标准都有改善的余地。
      • 非常赞同。
      • 很好的总结啊, 要感谢老猫,当然还有那些个蓝军, 大家上了一堂课, 相信大家会一传10,10传百, 发出我们的声音,为建设有加拿大特色的和谐社会努力奋斗。。
    • 我支持你。大家需要你这样的客观的声音。网上负面的人太多,很多人极端负面。我一直觉得ID真正该封的只有一种人,就是这些极端负面的人。
      • 一不小心又把自己当法官了。
        • 你发的帖子基本上全是负面的,这个不用是法官就能看得出来。
          • 又在信口雌黄了。仅仅与尔等持不同观点不等于“负面”。
            • 你的问题比我想象的还要严重。劝你一句:你的那些想法,不对是小事,有毒是大事,以后还是少说的好,尤其是对你身边的人。
              • 省省吧,你也配说别人的言论有毒?照照自己,“文革遗毒”的职称非你莫属。
      • 是啊,中央电视台才是真正为人民服务的,其它的通通闭嘴。
      • 不夸张地说,你所说的"正面"就是讳疾忌医。你这个人非常危险,打着"正面"的旗号鼓吹逆来顺受,为强势集团张目,理应封IP。
    • 你说的东西固然有用,但是治标不治本。根本的问题不解决,被CAS伤害的家庭和儿童只会越来越多。这个更本问题就是两条,一是监督机制,二是运营机制(包括funding,挑选合适的人选)
      • 言之有物!保护儿童天经地义,问题是如何保护。古今中外,打着漂亮的幌子谋取私利的例子不胜枚举。对CAS进行独立监督不是与儿童作对,而是遏制某些机构或群体利用保护儿童的名义行谋私之实。
        权力机构没有监督必然产生腐败,有些人连这个铁律都要否认,不知是逻辑思维真有问题,还是有意混淆视听。
        • "One of the most biased and unethical policy the CAS enforces is that they will not provide financial assistance to family members who are willing to assume guardianship of children while parents are being investigated by CAS. "
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛ZT


          An organization to help and supervise parents is necessary, especially to save children. The current system has an overwhelming failure rate and that needs to be brought to people’s attention and as taxpayers, we need to demand change.

          There are thousands of families who are unfairly targeted and there are thousands and thousands of children who have their childhood disrupted and destroyed by a policy that forces children to live with strangers for long periods of time… often more than one foster family claiming this is better than forcing parents to accept and follow the help and advice they need. There is no question that CAS saves children from abusive or life threatening home environments. But what do they do to help that child after saving them?

          One of the most biased and unethical policy the CAS enforces is that they will not provide financial assistance to family members who are willing to assume guardianship of children while parents are being investigated by CAS. This is why tragically so many children from low-income families are separated and scarred for life by a CAS investigation. In order to qualify for financial assistance (food, clothing, medical, day-care etc.) the family member must yield to the same training as other foster parents and are encouraged to be willing to accept other children like any other foster parent. Many grandparents and aunts and uncles would gladly support grandchild or niece/nephew however require assistance with child care costs. They cannot afford to quit their job to care for their family member and find it difficult to commit to foster-parent training in an already busy life. By the time the family qualifies for “foster-parent financial assistance” several months may have gone by and the child is needlessly separated and traumatized. This scenario is so common I would feel confident calling it the norm. I would like to also point out that foster parents find dealing with CAS just as frustrating and exhausting as parents. Society often loses loving and committed foster parents due to their unwillingness to deal with CAS anymore.

          I find it baffling that child psychologists have not protested these practices based on the physiological trauma this inflicts on children.

          If our school system demonstrated an overwhelming failure rate where the majority of students who were released to society are uneducated, taxpayers would be outraged and demanding change. Our abused and neglected children deserve the same consideration and assistance.

          People can believe that this couple deserved to lose custody of their child, however being separated from parents is not in the best interest child. It is in the best interest of the child to have parents who have the tools, experience, education, medical assistance and financial assistance to care for the child. These services are available through the taxes we pay. Unfortunately too many organizations with their separate policies and procedures make it impossible for citizens to utilize them.

          CAS often works with Ontario Works and Sudbury Housing and Child Care Subsidy and dozens of other agencies to provide emergency assistance to families in need. The problem is how they arbitrailiy determine who is in need. In my opinion, the children mentioned in this article would have been a suitable candidate for emergency help. CAS had four months while the infant remained in hospital to work with Sudbury housing to find this family shelter… because THAT is in the best interest of the children, especially a sick infant. They chose not to.

          Regardless of the character of the parents or policies of CAS, this baby was denied its right to bond with the mother who carried him in her body and denied the right to be sick and die surrounded by its biological family. I am an advocate of children’s rights and CAS policies are not about the rights and needs of the children.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • 没有监管她们想怎么就怎么。
    • 而且这个CAS的存在是否是有必要,也值得讨论,为啥加拿大这么多省,只有安省有CAS,而且名声这么臭?为啥其他省没有CAS都活的好好的?
      • 这个要更正, 每个省都有CAS但是只有安省没有第三方监管。Bill 93 要的就是这个10缺一的监管。
        • 只有安省有CAS,其他省也许有类似的组织,也许我没有看到。
        • 这里是CAS的链接,CAS就是安省的CAS,其他省没有。
    • 顶你!!!
    • 很快大家会看到审薄的情况了, 薄做了很多好事, 比那些不作为的强多了, 但人们把他送进监狱的时侯关心的是他做的坏事, 一件坏事就够了, 文强再最后的陈诉中提到了系统监管, 他认为如果有可靠的监管他不会有这个下场。
    • 一并谢过楼上楼下(如果还有的话)各位,就不一一回帖了。
      • MM,谢谢你和另外几位ID提供的认真客观的信息,虽然我们很多人肯定都够幸运永远不用跟CAS打交道,多了解些信息,多学习些东东,从不同角度看看,总是没有错的。
        网络已渗入到我们很多生活细节,网络的监管却也跟不上日常生活中的监管,于是有很多网络暴力,有很多人在网络上比在日常生活中更轻易地信口雌黄或者宣泄暴力/负面言论,无论是站在道德高度的义愤,还是出于切肤之痛的仇恨。

        不常上论坛也不常发言如我的,看得到帖子后面的心。谢谢你。:)
    • 一个人如果杀了一个人,哪怕前面救了100个,他也应该进监狱了。一个组织也是这样。
      你知道为什么大家对你的帖子有这么大的意见吗?因为你的语气不是站在一个客观的立场去说的,而是为CAS去辩护的立场去说。如果你站在一个客观的立场说话,你不是应该告诉我们CAS好的一面,坏的一面,如果遇见CAS应该如何处理等等。看样子真理是掌握在你手里的,所以别人是“胡说八道啊,打口水战”。你不是上帝,不要站在云端看大众。
      • Exactly!楼主只是一味地说CAS的宗旨好(我赞成各国都要有弱势保护组织),工作人员辛苦(这个没人反对她,确实有相当专业的员工),可楼主字里行间就是抗拒回避第三方的“独立监督”(扯上什么行业协会,上级管理---混淆概念),揣猜她要么是在这个行业里要么就是太天真。
      • 她是说她跟CAS 一起做一些案子, 大家知道什么叫企业文化, 从员工面貌可以看到企业文化, 也许某些同学的孩子已不属CAS 管了,但爱孩子的心都一样, 你也不希望你孩子的孩子生活在一个没有监管的组织的阴影下 请告诉你的亲朋好友, 特别是你地区的议员, 支持Bill63!
        • 应该是Bill 93吧。
        • Ontario Coalition for Accountability