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字典还是Google?

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛跟一位同志辩论 accept 和 receive 有没有差别,突然有这个想法:如果你想知道某个说法在英语里是否地道,最好的办法就是 google 一下。如果你在第一页看不到这个说法,十有八九它不是地道的英文。

有同志问,为什么不查字典?难道Google比字典更权威?从某个角度上说,答案是肯定的。字典是死的,反映的是定义;语言是活的,关键在应用。编字典的人,肩负着责任,未免要面面俱到,一个词,即使只有一个意思常用,他也要把可能的十八个意思都收进去。要想知道那些意思是活的,那些是死的,唯一的办法就是看应用。看应用,Google 是最快的工具。

比如 accept new patient, receive new patient。俺说前者地道,后者不地道,甚至不对。查字典,receive 有20个定义,accept 有 14 个。看得俺云里雾里,还是不得要领。但是你只要 google 一下,一分钟不到,结论显而易见。receive 的第一页,没有一条含“receive new patient”;accept 的第一页,几乎条条都有“accept new patient”。值得一提的是,google “receive new patient”,有几条里面用的竟然是“accept new patient”。

这两页里另外一个现象,更反映了Google 的神奇。无论是 google “receive new patient” 还是 “accept new patient”,第一页里都有一两条里面包含“take new patient”。说明什么问题?说明 take 也是地道的,只是不常用。这一点,字典里不容易查到吧?

俺学英文很少查字典。一是不太管用,看了半天还是云里雾里。二是耽误时间。学英文,很重要的一个办法就是泛读。要是一遇到生词就查字典,看的就会断断续续,就没有了培养语感的效果。严重的甚至失去读的兴趣。俺碰到生词就猜,即使有一定量的生词,也不太影响俺的理解。记得研究生时,俺在回家的船上,一口气看完了“福尔摩斯探案集”。虽然很多生词,但是俺看得津津有味。那一次,是俺英文的第一次突破。

字典还是Google,其实反映的是学习方法。英语是用好的,不是学好的。查字典,背语法,都是学。俺有一位同学,特有毅力,花了很多时间背字典,真背。可是到头来,很简单的用法,都搞不懂。读一百遍词的定义,不如看几个例子,事半而工百倍。查字典,不如去 google。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 工作学习 / 外语学习 / 字典还是Google?
    • yiou got a good point, very meaningful for me, it makes great sense, thank you for sharing.
    • 你说字典不好用,是因为你没有找到好字典。 强烈推荐‘collins cobuild advanced learner's english dictionary". 这是一本英英字典。解释非常好。
    • Google collects mostly unfiltered info mixed with good/bad and truth/false/fake. Dictionaries extract essence of hundred of years experience in human life. Learning English by confining to Google may lead you the wrong direction.
    • 这也是我经常用的方法。Google出来的网页当然是什么样的都有,关键在于你参考什么样的了。
    • IMO, both of you are partially right.
      It is not completely wrong to use "receive new patients". However, when doctors "receive new patients" they can also refuse to treat them whereas "accepting new patients" means doctors are willingly ready to receive new patients and treat them. Just my 2 cents.
      • I didn't say "receive new patient" is wrong. I only said it's different from "accept new patient". And when you ask 医生收不收新病人, it's definitely "accept", not "receive".
        • I guess 红卫兵 is the only one that knows English better than anyone else and the only one that is always right. But the sad reality is there is so much one doesn’t know or has never heard of…
          • 你说红卫兵不是人?
            is the only one WHO knows English
            • No. You misunderstood me.
    • 字典分有类型的,针对不同需求的人。对我们可能“用法”字典最实用:知道词义,但不确定地道的用法。好的用法字典没有接触过,但是dictionary.google.com 是我接触过的最好的用法字典。强烈推荐Google。
      • good to know. I've never heard of it.
        • There are many things one may not know or has not heard of. But it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
          • You're possessed.
            • You are even more so I guess. Did I write this (1785 bytes. #6205467@0)?
    • 晕。。。accept and receive的区别到现在还要争论吗?明摆的嘛。。。totally agree with Toad on this one and google.
      • 红卫兵怎么还同志来同志去的。。。。?Google很有用。。。。youtube也不错。。。。那天俺在youtube刚打上how to。。。。猜猜后边出来的什么。。。。? 就是这个。。。。
        kiss。。。。how to kiss排在第一位。。。。捎带手贴上。。。。你Kiss对了吗。。。。?

        • 同志哥呀,After all the hot kiss would that be a sore
          A or sore M?
          • 同志哥。。。。?吓死啦。。。。嘿嘿。。。。the wing girls继续上课。。。。
            • 忽悠啊, 忽悠, expert level, ha ha ha
              • HOMO大佬。。。。俺瞎忽悠而已。。。。真正expert level是。。。。
                光姐。。。。
                • HA HA. Total straight and hetero. 大忽悠 is wrong I am sure. 沉醉东风 is proven a good girl.
                  • 啊呀呀。。。。俺查了holy moly还真不能简化成HOMO。。。。嘿嘿。。。。
                    • Perhaps you should GOOGLE. Holy Moly, I am not H&M, the Swedish cheap retailer.
    • 难道google不就是一本更大的字典吗?不就好象你查了无数字典一样吗?
    • “接收“和“接受“的区别,还需要查字典?
    • 在如今这时代,google是解决你说的问题的又快又省事的好办法,但它不代表accuracy, 只代表popularity。只是用的人是如此之多,这第一页popular的结果往往给与了正确的答案。
    • accept 主动,receive是被动的收信啊之类的。