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枫下茶话 / 社会 / 刚才看了CFC中文网的“126枪击案专栏”,花了半个小时看完了大部分文章,不知怎么一种很难受的感觉。通过移民对小留学生的对话,我感觉到“人不为己,天诛地灭”, 蔑视穷人,追捧富人的心态,已深深扎根在这些孩子们的心里。
-szlhpc(长江海员);
2005-12-19
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“人不为己,天诛地灭” is not only rooted in Chinese hearts, old or young, but also in western hearts, which is actually a universal phenomenon.
-traveller2005(traveller);
2005-12-19
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国内现在公务员年收入基本都是10万到20万了。今年公务员招考比例是:1:49。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-19
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where? in Qinghai Province???????? Bullshit!!!!!!!
-missgogo(MissGoGo);
2005-12-19
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具体看什么单位。如果是中石油单位的话(属于企业),中层以上干部基本可以拿到这个数字。公务员的收入,我2005回国,江苏(苏南)的朋友告诉我的这个数字。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-19
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深圳的一个局长级公务员多少收入?每月7000元左右。想想十几万不低啦,尤其在内地穷地。
-missgogo(MissGoGo);
2005-12-19
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以2003年为例(2003年后国家公务员没有再统一调整工资),全国公务员的平均工资为15487元,但是实际收入差距却很大。公务员的工资差距主要反映在东西部地区。东部发达地区工资收入较高,西部落后地区收入则较低。收入最高的上海市与收入最低的陕西省的收入差距比例为2.8:1。
-orcl(黎叔生气了 后果很严);
2005-12-19
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那是东南沿海省份, 河南,河北等内陆省份没这个数
-orcl(黎叔生气了 后果很严);
2005-12-19
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统计数据?
-orcl(黎叔生气了 后果很严);
2005-12-19
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知道小留一年需要多少钱吗?保守的花销在2。5万加币。按1:6折成人民币是十五万税后!奔驰跑车以及相应的保险等费用均不包括在内。
-23456789(大白呼);
2005-12-20
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只能说一部分吧。我在这里见过3个小留,两个女孩子没车,上大学的时候,考虑的是能够毕业容易找工花费少的专业,她们5人租2居室,月租金200块。还有一小留我同事,500块的车。估计穷孩子都到我们这来了。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-20
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I think the parents of students you were talking about are not "公务员"
-vega_lee(天津包子-就不改);
2005-12-20
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应该都不是。谢天谢地,我不认识公务员的孩子,否则我一定愤怒的要命。:P
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-20
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“人不为己,天诛地灭”,我觉得这是正常的。关键是为己的同时,别害人就是了。做得更好的,就是为己后,能回报给社会。
-vinatca(905area);
2005-12-19
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一声长叹啊。我更感兴趣的是这个坛子上的一些言论,这儿已经不是他们的地盘了,不是留学生主体,也可能不是所谓的既得利益者。但辩护反应之激烈,攻击言词之上纲上线,更令人深思。
-table(桌子来了);
2005-12-19
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The point is that if we Chinese do not feel sorry for the death of Chinese, who will? We can blame each other within our home, but we cannot do that in a foreign country,where we all are minority and we all are on the same boat.
-traveller2005(traveller);
2005-12-19
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(#2661219)the point is, some rich Chinese are shame on other ordinary Chinese people, do you really think they consider our Chinese folks in the same boat?
-table(桌子来了);
2005-12-19
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By "Chinese are on the same boat", I mean we all are in a foreign country far away from our own motherland. Certainly rich people all over the world contemp poor people,such that rich whites look down upon poor whites as well.
-traveller2005(traveller);
2005-12-19
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frankly, i did not feel sad when i heard about that murder, because they are not the kind of which most Chinese should be. most of people i met around did not care much about the double murders either.
-missgogo(MissGoGo);
2005-12-19
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I actually didn't heard any friends around me talking about this case until I read so many responses at rolia.
-traveller2005(traveller);
2005-12-19
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Have you even seen any black people laughing at the death of other blacks? They may look down upon other blacks for their improper behaviour, but they won't laugh at their death, because they have the same skin colours.
-traveller2005(traveller);
2005-12-19
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I have seen black people killing other black people.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2005-12-19
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126中,两个年轻的留学生毕竟是受害者,值得同情。所以在批评一些错误思潮的时候,不要老是联系到这两个孩子,可能会博得更多的人的支持。另外,我们出国时间已久,对国内形势可能不大了解。10万-20万的非灰色收入,在大企业完全可能
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-19
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Yes, nobody can choose which family he/she was born into. The dead students were born into corruptive families, which is not what they can change, and which does not entitle them to death.
-traveller2005(traveller);
2005-12-19
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I work in a state-owned company before i came here in 2003, my manager earned 200,000 legal income at that time already. In some high profit industries, it is normal.
-mentorgraphics(人生充满烦恼);
2005-12-19
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现在有个新词: 集团腐败
-orcl(黎叔生气了 后果很严);
2005-12-19
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10-20万的收入根本谈不上灰色收入,或集团腐败。我北京大型国企(中石化)的同事(去北京前跟我一个单位),高级职称,基本收入十几万,然后奖金跟具体项目挂钩。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-19
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深圳的一个局长级公务员多少收入?每月7000元左右。想想十几万不低啦,尤其在内地穷地。
-missgogo(MissGoGo);
2005-12-19
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那天看到一篇评论比较赞同. 1. 两留学生就这么死了,同情,惋惜. 2. 追问一下家长的钱有没有问题?两件事并不矛盾,
-365night(nini);
2005-12-19
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嘿嘿,从京,沪,穗移民过来的,能通过技术移民的标准的话,当时收入多少,大家心里自然有数,但希望大家看看整个中国普通职工的收入,难道1-2万年收入不确切吗?我就谈谈现在工资水平,省得有人说我一老移民,更不上形势。
-szlhpc(长江海员);
2005-12-20
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看来你朋友都怕刺激你.
-diver();
2005-12-20
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i don't think you really know 处级干部合法收入 in Shenzhen. most of them < 100,000 / year
-missgogo(MissGoGo);
2005-12-20
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我相信市委,市政府各个部门的收入是绝对不同的。不过,我的数据是第一手。
-szlhpc(长江海员);
2005-12-20
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中石油一年上缴的的利税占了中国整个国企利税的50%,就因为中石油这一家企业赚钱,郎咸平楞敢说中国国企的效率好过私营企业,他这么说我倒不生气,问题是广大愤青还在捧场,这不是让别人卖了还帮别人数钱吗。这帮愤青吗,他们懂什么?
-killer(十步杀一人千里不留行);
2005-12-20
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石油企业,也不敢作亏,否则没有奖金,而且官职提不上去。一般就是掌握一个平衡。而且现在企业内部正常收入差距越来越大。职位工资差距,干部工人差距,退休下岗和在岗人员工资的差距。企业很不稳定。我朋友告诉我,我们那里的机关大楼又被围了。
-lilyba(sunshine 阳光灿烂);
2005-12-20
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好的行业工资高不希奇,武汉有几个设计院,挣10万大有人在,不算沿海吧。当个中层干部,20万不多。现在航天工业也很挣哪,军工收入也上来了。如果算上灰色收入,很多比外企高。
-mentorgraphics(人生充满烦恼);
2005-12-20
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还有高校,收入也很可观,能挣的老师一年几十完不算多。那什么小学陪优,有的老师收入也不得了。其实国内不光贪官,有一批人生活的确好了很多。人家单位还给房子福利呢。
-mentorgraphics(人生充满烦恼);
2005-12-20
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航天工业也很挣哪???那是因为国家的军品任务基本都给了北京上海的单位. 在内地的航天单位工资是很低的. 高工有1500就很不错了.
-calgarycat(卡城大猫);
2005-12-20
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月薪8万=年薪100万,多不多?我相信不少人在中国都能拿到,和我的那位朋友一样。但我更想知道,大部分的普通员工拿多少钱?内地,西南,西北的城市,他们的工资水平多少?让我们关注一下普通人的生活。
-szlhpc(长江海员);
2005-12-20
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这两留学生白死了
-ottawese(老杆);
2005-12-20
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